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Did SARS-Cov-2 start in a Chinese lab?

potholer54

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Immunity and infectionEvidence and public healthInfectious diseasePublic health and policyHealth claims and misinformation

An analysis of the evidence and claims surrounding the theory that SARS-CoV-2 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan.

TO SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL please do not donate to me, donate to a charity I strongly support that provides health care to poor villages in exchange for a commitment to protecting forests -- two birds with one stone! The pledges are monitored, and the result has been a dramatic decrease in deforestation rates and an increase in the health of the local population. Thanks to your generous contributions, the founders are spreading the idea to other countries. See psmag.com/social-justice/save-the-trees-well-save-your-life-… for an explanation of their work. You can make a donation by bank transfer here… healthinharmony.org/donate/ CORRECTIONS: 1) @ I said SARS-Cov-2 "shares most of its DNA....." I should have said "gene sequence" not "DNA". SARS-Cov-2 is an RNA-based virus. 2) One poster who says he works in a lab that handles viruses says they're typically stored at around -80 decC, not -23 degC. I can't verify that, but either way I can confirm that they are deep frozen, and not likely to leak out of their sealed containers. 3) At I said "the fact this virus wasn't engineered..." I should have said: "The fact that this study shows the virus wasn't engineered....' SOURCES FOR THIS VIDEO: laowhy86's two videos can be found here: youtube.com/watch?v=a-GVcfP1zrg&list=PLGVxWL17abn6F5jbtE18EJ… youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU&list=PLGVxWL17abn6F5jbtE18EJ… -- Bolt Report, Sky News -- chanworld.org/wp-content/uploads/wpforo/default_attachments/… -- youtube.com/watch?v=I-PNVczw4II&lc=UgyHe59OkUC90kEIRpV4AaABA… -- chanworld.org/wp-content/uploads/wpforo/default_attachments/… Ibid. -- hyoutube.com/watch?v=I-PNVczw4II&lc=UgyHe59OkUC90kEIRpV4AaABA… -- rfi.my/5OFG -- chanworld.org/wp-content/uploads/wpforo/default_attachments/… -- Ibid. -- xinhuanet.com/local/2017-05/03/c_1120909064_2.htm and k.sina.cn/article_1893761531_70e081fb020002llo.html -- twitter.com/laurie_garrett/status/1228734218227896321 -- researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/2035568207_Yanling… -- gd.whiov.cas.cn/zxpy/yjsswgg/201409/t20140923_258008.html -- whiov.cas.cn/105341/201912/t20191224_5471634.html -- dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233185/Shock-photos-inside-Wuh… -- thesun.co.uk/news/11429828/photo-wuhan-lab-broken-seal-unit-… -- english.whiov.cas.cn/ne/201806/t20180604_193863.html -- youtube.com/watch?v=I-PNVczw4II -- scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-ba

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What people say. Recommended as a methodical, well-researched takedown of conspiracy theories and misinformation regarding the origins of COVID-19.

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If anyone here wants a break from Joe Rogan and Eric Weinstein's world view here is a suggestion: link to this video Did SARS-Cov-2 start in a Chinese lab? Potholer54 is an Australian science journalist whoes mission it is to debunk junk science and conspiracy theories. He is very entertaining and very insightful.

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…pread. The amount of bullshit associated with the origins of the virus is embarrassing. It would be one thing if it was planted propaganda- there are obvious lies and embellishments, but the sheer number of mistranslations, misunderstandings, and hilariously implausible theories taken as fact is insane. Potholer54 did a rather methodical takedown: link to this video…

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On “Publish and Perish”

A lot of this “circumstantial evidence” was and is game-of-telephone nonsense. Many mix together two completely different institutions (the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and the Wuhan Institute of Virology) which are several kilometres apart, for example. (Edit: link to this video is a great look at said game of telephone.)

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Here's a two of his videos where he claims that COVID-19 emerged from a lab: link link And here's a pretty thorough analysis of the flaws with this theory: link to this video

yrroin Hacker News • Mentions

On “China’s dodgy-debt double act”

> one of the YouTube expert on China Hmmmmmmm. His videos are flashy, watchable... and incredibly poorly researched. I am incredibly unimpressed by his "I Found The Source of the Coronavirus" video. And frankly it calls into question all his other videos. link to this video

wh313in Hacker News • Mentions

On “Apache Log4j bug: China’s industry ministry pulls support from Alibaba Cloud”

I believe you misunderstood his analysis. At timestamp 6:36 of his video 1, laowhy86 analyzes a copy of the draft "The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus" to conclude that the virus must have come from the lab. This preprint has been shown to be false by future scholarship (see the citations of the draft at 2 for some examples). Potholer then analyzes the veracity of the claims within that preprint in his video 3, starting with an excerpt of 1 starting at 2:02. So the timeline should be: Feb. 2020 - Preprint published -> Apr. 2020 - laowhy's video -> May 2020 - potholer's rebuttal 1 link 2 link 3 link to this video